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Fwd: Mails sent to Arvind Kejriwal and IAC 1

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From: Vikas Goyal <>
Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: Mails sent to Arvind Kejriwal and IAC 1
To: kmoksha rishi <>

Dear Kmoksha ji,

I will read these mails and make a thought about it and once I get a chance I will have a word with Arvind ji and give you updates. 

However do not expect any answer any time soon atleast unless I come back to India.


On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:31 PM, kmoksha rishi <> wrote:
Vikas bhai,

As you had requested  to see mails which I and others sent to others , I am forwarding those to you. There will come 2-3 more mails with same title.

In this mail , I am giving links of posts we put on and also ad we gave on TCP / lokpal on april 28,2011 addressed to Anna ji and IAC.

(1) Rahul Chimanbhai Mehta Says:

# A247LB April 23rd, 2011 at 11:34 pm

Pls add about 3 + 9 clauses in JLD

1. Transparent Complaint Filing Procedure - 3 clauses

2. Right to Recall Lokpal - 9 clauses

Both are explained in the PDF with exact draft

(2). Janta Mat Says:

# A734LB April 24th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

The three shortcomings are

1. Citizens have no Right to Recall Lokpal(Chairperson or member) if Lokpal(consisting of chairperson and 10 members) is corrupt has
nexus with corrupt SC-Cj

2. Citizens have no Right to Retain Lokpal, Lokpal is honest but SC-Cj
is corrupt and dismisses honest Lokpal

3. Lokpal can ignore complaint even if complaint is coming from crores

of citizens who have no access to media


The first two shortcomings are that NO Right to Recall Lokpal
provision for citizens. Only Supreme Court Chief judge can select and remove (see sections 6,7 of proposed LokPal bill) Lokpal. How non-corrupt are Supreme Court Chief judges? Eminent Lawyer
Shanti Bhushan says that half of the past 16 SC-Cjs were corrupt !!!
In addition, nepotism and deliberate in-actions on large issues has
become common.

In this circumstances, it possible that

a. Corrupt SC-Cj would blackmail an honest Lokpal. Lokpal's
independence is compromised

b. Corrupt Lokpal and corrupt SC-Cj would form nexuses and assist each
other in many ways.

Also, an assumption that Lokpal will never become corrupt, or that
Lokpal-SCCj will not form a nexus is something I would like to dismiss
outrightly. Lokpal can become corrupt and may form nexus with SC-Cj in
which case Right to Recall Lokpal becomes MUST. And Lokpal and SC-Cj
may get both purchased by MNCs, in which case MNCs will end up having
complete control over Indian Administration, Ministries and Courts. So
we must have Right to Recall Lokpal. RTR Lokpal is also supported by
writings of Satyarth Prakash which page-1 of chap-6 says that "Raajaa
(Raajvarg) must be Prajaa-aadheen or else he will rob citizens the way
carnivorous animals kill small animals, and thus such a Raajaa will
ruin the nation". Same way, Lokpal must be Prajaa-aadheen. Or else, he
will rob the citizens and ruin the nation. In case Right to Recall
Lokpal Chairman is too much for others to accept, then IMO, we should
settle for Right to Recall any one member, called as Citizen's Member
in Lokpal.

The third shortcoming is that it may happen that Lokpal gives no
hearing to a big complaint that matters to crores of people who dont
have access to wealthy lawyers and media. Lokpal can simply delay
action on that complaint by calling it small and "too few people want
action on it". We must have a mechanism that would at least ensure
that Lokpal can dismiss complaints that matter to crores of commons
who have no access to media.


Proposed additions to JanLokpal Draft

We propose adding following two sections in JanLokpal draft

Section - CV : Citizens Voice

Clause CV.1 : If a citizen comes to District Collector's office with
an affidavit containing complain, then after verification of identity,
Collector or Executive Magistrate he has appointed will put the
complaint on the website of Lokpal.

Clause CV.2 : Any citizen can register YES-NO on a complaint filed in
clause-1 by paying Rs 3 at Patwari (Talati) office after showing voter
card and Talati will add the YES-NO on the Lokpal's website along with
name and voter-number of the citizen.

This will ensure that if the JanLokpal is ignoring complaint of crores of
citizens, he will get exposed. And the fact that he can get exposed,
he will not dare to ignore complaints of crores.
Right to Recall Lokpal

Section - RTRLC : Right to Recall Lokpal Chairperson

clause-1 [General Declaration] . The word citizen would mean a
registered voter.

clause-2 [Procedure for Collector] If a citizen of India above 30
years wishes to be LokPal, he can appear before Collector. Collector would
issue a serial number for a filing fee same as deposit amount for MP

clause-3 [Procedure for Talati , Patwari (or Talati's Clerks)] If a
citizen comes in person to Talati's office, pays Rs 3 fee , and
approves at most five persons for the Lokpal Chairperson position, the
Talati would enter his approvals in the computer and would him a
receipt with his voter-id#, date/time and the persons he approved. The
fee shall be Rs 1 for those with BPL card. If a the citizen comes to
cancel his Approvals, the Talati will cancel one of more of his
approvals without any fee.

clause-4 [Procedure for Talati , Patwari (or Talati's Clerks)] The
Talati will put the preferences of the citizen on Lokpal's website
with citizen's voter-ID number and his preferences.

clause-5 [Procedure for Secretary of Lokpal] On every Monday, the
Secretary will publish Approval counts for each candidate.

clause-6 [Procedure for Lokpal] If any candidate has obtained more
than 38 crore approvals and is 1 crore more than approvals obtained by
existing Lokpal, then Lokpal may resign and may request PM to appoint
the most approved candidate as Lokpal.


The Right to Recall Lokpal clauses can be also used to retain a
Lokpal, if Lokpal is honest and a dishonest SC-Cj removes him. In such
case, citizens can file approval for that honest ex-Lokpal and make
him Lokpal again.

And I will repeat, in case Right to Recall Lokpal Chairman is too much
for others to accept, then IMO, we should settle for Right to Recall
any one member, called as Citizen's Member in Lokpal

(3) Prashant K. Vakharia Says:

# A1177LB April 28th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

I strongly demand right to recall and transparent complaint filling procedure in proposed Lokpal Bill. I supported you when you were on fast and in the same way today I support Rahul Mehta for Right To Recall and Transparent complaint filling procedure.

He has given advertisement in 28th April 2011 in Indian Express on his agenda.

He has also posted his

demand here in this website and token receipt no. is #A247LB AND I fully agree with him.

(4) Indian Express ad of April 28,2011 requesting Anna ji to add RTR-lokpal and Transparent complaint / Proposal procedure clauses to Janlokpal-

See attachment

(5) Posts on IAC page, which were deleted-

Many people wrote to Arvind Kejriwal , IAC but we did not collect all mails . Rest I will forward those mails which I and others sent to Arvind Kejriwal and Kiran Bedi. 

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Vikas Goyal <> wrote:
Thanks kmoksha,

can u please also provide documents on current RTR process as in USA and link to video taps of that swiss multimillonaire


On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 2:27 PM, kmoksha rishi <> wrote:

Sending you in attachment files regarding RTR-lokpal and Transparent complaint Procedure. Please study them and give your views.


On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 3:28 AM, Vikas Goyal <> wrote:

Vikas Rattan Goyal
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Vikas Rattan Goyal

One life , live to fullest

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